September 17, 2011, last updated at 7:57 am

Liz Chave

Cattle Market Site: Get your comments in quick (on the colour of the paint), before demolition starts in Oct …

Thoughts on a
Presentation about the (Old) Livestock Market (Planning Application DMS 112085
RM)
 

Interesting – the Planning Officer presenting didn’t think
so many people would attend……………….

As this application is on “reserved matters”, no new
councillors can really have any say on it (not that some of us will let that
stop us!) – the parameters of floor space, height, and  vehicle access have all been set already – so
the only input can be on “cosmetics”, though apparently there are other plans
for some parts “in preparation”.

There are various vehicle access points to the area – which
will be “signalised” – in ordinary language, that means more traffic lights,
folks! These will lead to 500+ car park spaces – so the traffic problem of
vehicles travelling INTO the city rather than through it has not been
addressed. (Oh, and remember we’ll lose however many parking spaces there are
on Merton Meadows and the other sites in the area – so it’s not 500 new
spaces).

There is seemingly no provision for taxi ranks, and the buses will stop
in the traffic on the narrowed Newmarket Street. Good news for pedestrians –
the crossings all along Blueschool Street and Newmarket Street will be slightly
more geared in YOUR favour (not that crossing the road should be a problem as
the narrowed street will surely mean traffic travelling east- west will be
stationary for a lot of the time anyway – all those lovely exhaust fumes and
particulates to breathe in!). Mind your step, though, because the design and
materials used will be the same as in Widemarsh Street. The previously
essential first phase of the link road appears to have disappeared off the
radar (it can’t have really?) – but Newmarket Street will be narrowed to single
lane carriageway each way anyway – and vehicles will be permitted to turn right
into Widemarsh Street and right out of Tesco’s car park. Ooh, this sounds like
even less fun to cycle along than it is now! Though actually, walking and
cycling into Hereford really are going to be your best options!

As to the buildings themselves – they will face inwards
around the car park areas (nice trees, though – and benches!) – with their
backs to Edgar Street and Newmarket Street – no shop fronts there – and firmly
turned away from High Town. (Strong message there, don’t you think? A kind of
architectural finger gesture – and not a nice one, either.)

The present designs look like the worst kind of 1960s factory / warehouse / school buildings – I
thought architecture had moved on, but they must have found an architect in a
time-warp! They’ll date as badly as those kinds of buildings did – and maybe
have the same maintenance issues too. There are small nods towards green walls.
Nothing about it says “we’re proud to be Hereford”. Just some red bricks. And
maybe some wooden framed buildings. (And probably expensive rents). Face it –
please. This area is NOT for local business start-up, it’s for those who’ve
already made their money, and want to write some tax off.

It all feels very second best. But most of us probably
shouldn’t worry too much. It’s a ghetto for the posh. Are those who thought
Hereford didn’t need yet another supermarket when Asda was coming going to
raise their voices? No! It’s Waitrose! So that’s alright then. (Funny thing is,
I like the idea of the John Lewis Partnership – the employees being part owners
and so on – we just don’t need yet another supermarket. Do we?) But the posh
people don’t have much choice in Hereford – apparently some of them even drive
to Monmouth for Waitrose – I hope the traffic modelling has taken that into
account! They’ll be coming in for the restaurants as well – and maybe the six
screen cinema (let’s hope it shows a wide range of films, not just blockbusters
or French art films!)

Try and be positive. The cinema could be good. Trees and
benches will be lovely, though personally I’m not that keen on sitting looking
at car parks. And it should be easier to cross the road – if you want to go
there from High Town.

Why have we accepted something second best? To force “them”
to give us a relief road – so it was said. I’m thinking carts, horses and
ordering thereof. Wake up, people! Nobody sitting in an office in Whitehall is
looking at Hereford and saying, “Gosh – these people need more roads!” The road
numbers speak for themselves – A49, A438, A465 – I worked out a long time ago
that the more digits in the number, the less important the road was considered
to be.

Get online at ukplanning.com and search for application
112085 – or go into Franklin Barnes and ask to see the information. HAVE YOUR
SAY! And do it quickly – because here’s the proposed timescale – consideration
by Committee in October 2011, demolition on site starts mid October 2011,
followed by archaeological studies etc. Construction to start January 2012 –
and expected to last around 16 months. And don’t say you weren’t warned.

  • C4ccuk

     We will have new resturants (3) in total they say, well lets get things into perspective here we have 3 already empty resturants within the City the Left Bank, Art, and Miros why cant they fill them first!!! They are going to create mayhem by funnelling traffic through Newmarket Street and Blueschool Street !!!!!!!!! In my opinion the whole issue of this renamed ESG is a pipe dream of a few and railroaded through no matter the cost. This is my opinion and mine alone  the team behind this are BARKING MAD and will split our City in half come what may. and on the same subject Do WE HAVE ANY SPARE BEDS AT THE STONEBOW UNIT???? for a few brainless morons who are resposible for this.

  • C4ccuk

     We will have new resturants (3) in total they say, well lets get things into perspective here we have 3 already empty resturants within the City the Left Bank, Art, and Miros why cant they fill them first!!! They are going to create mayhem by funnelling traffic through Newmarket Street and Blueschool Street !!!!!!!!! In my opinion the whole issue of this renamed ESG is a pipe dream of a few and railroaded through no matter the cost. This is my opinion and mine alone  the team behind this are BARKING MAD and will split our City in half come what may. and on the same subject Do WE HAVE ANY SPARE BEDS AT THE STONEBOW UNIT???? for a few brainless morons who are resposible for this.

  • Dave

    C4ccuk – sounds more like YOU’VE escaped from Stonebow, especially for the ‘splitting our city in two’ nonsense that some of IOC wrongly pursued as a campaign line as it won’t do anything of the sort. Have you not thought there’s a reason in practical terms for the way the shops and restaurants are facing, like perhaps deliveries?! But ohhhhh no it can be anything like that because it’s all a conspiracy – nonsense like this is what puts people off IOC and makes them sound like a backward nimby party – units in town aren’t filled because they are too small for retailers, look at the retailers who’ve arrived in the last year and the space they’ve taken or in the case of Wilkinson are proposing to take? Are they small unit? No, they’re a result of two or more units being knocked together to create a bigger and more viable shopspace than what was there to start with.

    If IOC do want to engage and be looked as progressive then the should be fighting to get the best shops here in the new development as well as into areas like Eign Gate – whilst the opinions on the looks of the shops may be apt, the fact is we have had the annoyance of the scaling down of the new centre development, the stupidity of the removal of multi storey car parks from the scheme due to a vocal minority and to go around claiming conspiracy after conspiracy or voicing sarcastic articles and headlines on this site does you no favours whatsoever. 

    Whilst some of IOC may be vocal they are still a minority and some members would be wise to remember that and the impression they give off – we need more shopping, we need more leisure and business opportunities in Hereford like this development, the more we delay and turn down developments and opportunities to move Hereford on to be the city it should be the closer we move to killing the city off for good and causing too much irreparable damage to it. It cannot survive on a centre the size it is, with as few shops as it has and as little leisure and little jobs for young people as it has, things HAVE to change and soon, otherwise we won’t have much of a Hereford left.

  • Dave

    C4ccuk – sounds more like YOU’VE escaped from Stonebow, especially for the ‘splitting our city in two’ nonsense that some of IOC wrongly pursued as a campaign line as it won’t do anything of the sort. Have you not thought there’s a reason in practical terms for the way the shops and restaurants are facing, like perhaps deliveries?! But ohhhhh no it can be anything like that because it’s all a conspiracy – nonsense like this is what puts people off IOC and makes them sound like a backward nimby party – units in town aren’t filled because they are too small for retailers, look at the retailers who’ve arrived in the last year and the space they’ve taken or in the case of Wilkinson are proposing to take? Are they small unit? No, they’re a result of two or more units being knocked together to create a bigger and more viable shopspace than what was there to start with.

    If IOC do want to engage and be looked as progressive then the should be fighting to get the best shops here in the new development as well as into areas like Eign Gate – whilst the opinions on the looks of the shops may be apt, the fact is we have had the annoyance of the scaling down of the new centre development, the stupidity of the removal of multi storey car parks from the scheme due to a vocal minority and to go around claiming conspiracy after conspiracy or voicing sarcastic articles and headlines on this site does you no favours whatsoever. 

    Whilst some of IOC may be vocal they are still a minority and some members would be wise to remember that and the impression they give off – we need more shopping, we need more leisure and business opportunities in Hereford like this development, the more we delay and turn down developments and opportunities to move Hereford on to be the city it should be the closer we move to killing the city off for good and causing too much irreparable damage to it. It cannot survive on a centre the size it is, with as few shops as it has and as little leisure and little jobs for young people as it has, things HAVE to change and soon, otherwise we won’t have much of a Hereford left.

  • Ollie

    This article is absolute rubbish. IOC need to open their eyes and realise that we are now in the 21st century and if Hereford wants to survive as a city then it needs to develop. People forget that Hereford is a city and not a town! If Hereford does not develop then the youth will move away looking for further education and work resulting in a dead city full of old people who have no younger generations hear to look after them.

    A problem Hereford has is that groups like the IOC pick holes in every plan that is put forward. Hereford gets offered numerous grants and opportunities but because we have a minority of people who seem to find the poorest of arguments and excuses to ‘Protect our little Hereford’ the people offering these grants and opportunities get bored and take them back and give them to somewhere that actually uses them!

    People need to realise that Hereford cannot survive in it’s current state, the ESG will be brilliant, it won’t kill the city centre because it will be controlled as to what shops can go in there. Having a nice new cinema will be brilliant. Hopefully one day the project will expanded further and the canal will be restored and we will have a set up not too dissimilar to Cardiff Bay with waterside restaurants and small shops.

  • Ollie

    This article is absolute rubbish. IOC need to open their eyes and realise that we are now in the 21st century and if Hereford wants to survive as a city then it needs to develop. People forget that Hereford is a city and not a town! If Hereford does not develop then the youth will move away looking for further education and work resulting in a dead city full of old people who have no younger generations hear to look after them.

    A problem Hereford has is that groups like the IOC pick holes in every plan that is put forward. Hereford gets offered numerous grants and opportunities but because we have a minority of people who seem to find the poorest of arguments and excuses to ‘Protect our little Hereford’ the people offering these grants and opportunities get bored and take them back and give them to somewhere that actually uses them!

    People need to realise that Hereford cannot survive in it’s current state, the ESG will be brilliant, it won’t kill the city centre because it will be controlled as to what shops can go in there. Having a nice new cinema will be brilliant. Hopefully one day the project will expanded further and the canal will be restored and we will have a set up not too dissimilar to Cardiff Bay with waterside restaurants and small shops.